Pretty sure Honda never made an electric HR-V

"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein) 01/24/2020 at 15:52 • Filed to: None

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The Target by my office has a row of spaces in its garage that’s almost entirely Tesla c hargers. On my way into the garage, I noticed a distinctly not-electric Honda HR-V parked in one of these spaces. While this is certainly a dick move, technically it’s allowed, because...

Apparently, these signs !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! anyone can park in the Tesla charger spaces, as long as they don’t stay for longer than 30 minutes. Na turally, Tesla owners are less than happy about said signs.

For Sweden > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 15:56

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When the Tesla driver is ICEd, they have to kneel and chug a Smirnoff

Ash78, voting early and often > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 16:05

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I wonder if this has to do with whether Tesla or Target paid for the chargers...if it’s Tesla, they should have a claim to the spot. I’m guessing it’s Target’s call here — a convenience, but not binding.

While we’re on the topic, WTF is up with every single store and restaurant suddenly creating “to go” spaces? I swear every time I go somewhere and think I’ve scored a primo spot, I pull halfway in and it’s like JO ANN FABRIC CURBSIDE PICKUP ONLY.

For Sweden > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 16:06

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Blame Postmates/Grubhub/Door Dash/etc.

Ash78, voting early and often > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 16:09

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Damn, people must have gotten lazy and rich. At least from all the grocery/restaurant delivery services that have exploded in the past couple years.

Sort of the opposite of the economic picture the media would have us believe...

wafflesnfalafel > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 16:10

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I need 5 yards of pink chif fon, stat!

phenotyp > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 16:11

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It’s usually Tahoes and Suburbans parking in the charging spaces around here.

Ash78, voting early and often > wafflesnfalafel 01/24/2020 at 16:11

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Or d o you want to use HobbyFast or MuslinExtremist for your fabric delivery?

ClassicDatsunDebate > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 16:13

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“I don’t know how anyone can afford a mortgage these days.  Anyway, I’m off for my weekly gel-nail appointment.”

Textured Soy Protein > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 16:15

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Speaking of pickup spaces, this Target’s garage had signs saying for drive-up orders, go up to the 3rd floor. Both this store and the one by my house have garages, where the 1st and 3rd floors of the garage connect to the 1st and 2nd floors of the store.

I’ll have to look into these drive-up orders. Usually when I go to Target I order online ahead of time rather than roam the shelves, because I rarely make impulse buys there anyway. But I’ve just been going into the store and picking up at customer service. Now that I know Target is willing to facilitate an even higher degree of laziness, I should avail myself of this option. 

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 16:15

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ha!

theres a parking spot nobody is allowed to use at work...coz it makes it hard for the trucks and trailers to turn around after loading... park there and get shamed seriously..somebody will take a picture put it up on the board with a note asplaining how absolutely not allowed that is and must be moved right now..

then one of the office wonks got a tesla... he parks there and charges it with the high voltage cable thats on that end of the warehouse for the forklifts...

not so much as a peep from the parking nazis for some reason

Ash78, voting early and often > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 16:20

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Honestly, my experience has been that everyone waiting on those to-go orders is there when I go in the store, then still waiting when I come back out.

P lus I’ve heard these new services can overwork the staff, which I don’t aim to do (with our Target’s self-checkouts, they usually have VERY few employees, especially out on the floor). I suppose for the mobility-impaired it’s a great thing, but I’m usually in a time crunch.

Ash78, voting early and often > ClassicDatsunDebate 01/24/2020 at 16:22

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Luckily it’s right next door to the SheLifts One-on-one Empowerment Gym™ so she w on’t have to make two trips! Gas is expensive, you know.

Textured Soy Protein > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 16:27

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Yeah, I’ve never really felt particularly inconvenienced by having to walk into the store and pick up at the customer service counter. Especially since it’s right inside the front door.

What got me doing the online orders in the first place is m ost of what I buy at Target is household and personal care crap where I already know exactly what I want before I set foot in the store, so ordering for store pickup makes a ton of sense.

B oth the Targets near me are 2 stories with those cart escalators. I use a shopping list app, and while I know where many things are in each store, I’d keep switching between my list app and the Target app to find where the hell things are in the store, and occasionally I’d think I’d gotten everything I needed on one floor, go to the other floor, then realize, ah crap there’s this one other thing I need on the floor I already hit. Up and down and up and down we go.

Sir Halffast > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 16:27

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Okay, let’s be honest thought. This is a Target, and regardless of whoever paid for it, there’s now an entire row of prime parking spots that are now dedicated to an incredibly small (i.e. elite, relatively) group of people. Of course people are going to be pissed, and use them anyway.

Ash78, voting early and often > Sir Halffast 01/24/2020 at 16:33

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Absolutely, it’s bad optics unless at least half of those spots are filled at any given time. Definitely niche, but some of these urban Targets (ie, with a parking deck) might actually have the market for it.

If those spots are actually better and more convenient than the rest, it’s definitely ripe for some class warfare. I think EVs should get dedicated chargers to encourage adoption, but I don’t like the “free HOV lane access” or “prime parking spot” encouragements. They seem frivolous.

Sir Halffast > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 16:50

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Exactly. And since part of the Tesla ethos is that you DON’T need to be constantly charging because they’ve defeated range anxiety... well having their chargers in every garage is a bit superfluous . And really quite annoying. A Target is not a highway rest stop where you need to have a supercharger. It’s a fucking Target. You don’t need your humblebrag parking spot, just park, shop, then go home to charge your car like a normal person.

TrickJos > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 16:55

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Cart escalator! What! I just looked it up on Youtube and my  mind is blown. New bucket list item.

Ash78, voting early and often > Sir Halffast 01/24/2020 at 16:55

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“Please help, I’m Tesla Homeless . I can only charge slowly at Target, but people give me dirty looks. The landlord at my $5,000/month brownstone won’t let me run an extension cord. Alms! Alms for an early adopter!”

Textured Soy Protein > TrickJos 01/24/2020 at 16:57

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They’re fine, but the one downside to them is the carts at 2-story Targets don’t have any under-cart shelf for large items. There’s a hook for the escalator instead.

Textured Soy Protein > Sir Halffast 01/24/2020 at 17:11

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Allow me to add some context.

This row of spaces is on the first floor of a 3-story garage, but it’s the farthest row from the store on that floor.

There were a ton of Teslas charging in these spaces when I was there, including several where the drivers were hanging out in their cars while they charged.

This is the DC burbs. The nice part. I’d say your average Tesla driver here is well off but not elite. Also, in Maryland, EVs get stickers that let them drive in HOV lanes which adds to their popularity. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 17:17

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Can we be frank? The real issue with Tesla is that it seems to attract dour, unhappy people. Over on Electrek, despite Musk’s 100 Billion Dollar Pile of Market Cap, they are STILL going on about “the shorters”. When you point out that the shorts have to cover someday... it seems to go right over their heads.

Here? Given the high demand for limited parking spaces, and the pressing urgency for the property owners to have high turnover in those limited spaces, this seems like a reasonable accommodation. I know the Tesla People want unlimited, dedicated “Tesla Only Parking”, much like they never want to pay to maintain the roads, but they still only sold 300,000 cars into a 70 million unit car market with a billion cars on the road last year . “ No. You can’t have valuable parking spaces permanently dedicated to your niche brand.”

On the Supercharger thing... it just seems like feast-or-famine. Either a limited number of spots have 2 hour long queues of Teslas waiting to use them... or you have a row of unusable parking spaces, all dedicated to Tesla-Parking-Only (but no Tesla cars) for the chargers and a bunch of pissed off ICE car drivers looking for a place to park so they can go get their kid their Happy Meal. I see THAT all the time in the SuperCharger locations off the I-10 in Arizona. They co-locate Chargers in the restaurants’ lots along the freeway (like Casa Grande near the Culver’s or the Tonopah-Quartzite charger s ) and between the special needs spots (with not much usage) taking a dozen spaces and the Tesla crowd wanting  “their special safe spaces ” it makes for interesting spot hunting.

People are going to have to learn to get along on this one. Imagine if Benz, Nissan, GM and Kia all needed THEIR own proprietary spaces.  This is more about Tesla not playing nice on a proprietary standard.  It only gets bloodier from here.

YMMV

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 17:18

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Read my other post-- but, YEAH!  There are so many “special interests” now vying for spots, I’m not sure it’s viable for a niche brand to demand their own dedicated spots.  It’s going to be chaos...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 17:21

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My kid’s at a certain “midwestern university” where he discovered the toxic combo of McD’s and GrubHub. I kinda blew up at him for blowing all his discretionary money having junk food hauled over by the car load. “Why are we paying all this money for a Meal Plan that serves quality food you don’t eat while you’re engaging high school grads to haul McMuffins to you in a vape filled Subaru???”

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 17:23

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With Walmart and Home Depot now chasing “The Amazon Locker Model” expect EVEN MORE dedicated function parking spaces to accommodate yet another unproven 21st Century business model. I was in a Home Depot in Nogales recently that had a bunch painted  off for the locker pick-ups.

Until they make a locker big enough for a 4x8 sheet of plywood, I’m not following on this one.

Ash78, voting early and often > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 01/24/2020 at 17:25

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That’s wild...I’d be mad, too. I mean, if you’re going to pay $5 for delivery, at least make it somewhere decent and not fast food. That’s like a 100% markup.

Back in my college days (now over 20 years ago), it was a rite of passage to trek 3 or 4 blocks to McD’s at 2am to get your 20-piece chicken mc nuggets. Both ways through the snow.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 17:32

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Yeah, the weird thing is he’s in the middle of a “Campus Town” neighborhood with at least 20 other healthier options, all of whom are GrubHub participants. It’s a foodie paradise, unlike the place I went as an undergrad... and he chooses to overpay for the “convenience” of having the worst option delivered to his door?

He’s a smart kid, but hoo-boy, sometimes!

Chariotoflove > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 17:47

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Even more confusing, I’ve posted here about a space at a restaurant that has a handicap symbol painted on the space, but has a Tesla charging station only sign in front. So, either you can park there if you’re handicapped, if you drive a Tesla , or if you are a handicapper person driving a Tesla, which would be a really niche population.

Sir Halffast > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 17:49

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Interesting. Where is this in MD ? All the spots in NOVA garages are right up front. If so, good on them then. 

Textured Soy Protein > Sir Halffast 01/24/2020 at 17:59

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This was the store at Rio in Gaithersburg. The row of spaces with the chargers faces out towards Washingtonian Blvd like, “hey you passers-by, look at these Tesla chargers!”

They’re right by the entrance to the garage, but they're the farthest spaces from the store on that level, which is on the *other* side of this garage.

Sir Halffast > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 18:04

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Ah, so there IS still the show-off factor. Wouldn’t be the DC burbs otherwise! Don’t matter how you do it, so long as you do it.

carcrasher88 > Textured Soy Protein 01/24/2020 at 19:43

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An electric HR-V DOES exist...just not in the US.

Meet the Everus VE-1 and Honda X-NV. Two HR-V/Vezel based electric CUVs for the Chinese market.

The Everus is built by a joint venture between Honda and GAC, while the X-NV is an all electric version of the X-RV, built by Dongfeng Honda, and wearing Ciimo badges, though production models seem to be largely listed online as either Dongfeng Honda X-NV or Honda X-NV.

On the ‘in-between’, there is a hybrid version of the Vezel in Japan.

Textured Soy Protein > carcrasher88 01/24/2020 at 19:48

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gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Ash78, voting early and often 01/24/2020 at 21:59

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Only time I get it is a sibling had 3 kids in the car and it was shitty out. Though I agree, the few times I’ve seen it, the folks are still there when I get back.